Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, WA Home Inspector (King of the House)

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Your Knobs Are Showing

It goes in streaks. I will do a number of new houses then, suddenly, I inspect a string of older homes. In the last couple weeks I have seen three houses with knob and tube wiring. Of course, the seller insists that the house has been re-wired. That usually means somebody put a new service panel in at some point in the last fifty years. It does not mean that the wiring is not still knob and tube. The wiring below was live. 

The other problem with knob and tube is that, over the years, somebody usually cuts it up and does a sloppy job of splicing in new circuits. Knob and tube wiring is, at this point, an old and outdated system but lots of homes still have some.

Steven L. Smith

Bellingham WA Home Inspections

        

        

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Comments

Steven, I am surprised that there are as many homes with it as there are, we run into an older home every so often that still hasn't been upgraded, it is in my opinion, scary!

Posted by Tony Cannon, e-PRO & Darcy Cannon, SFR - The C Team (RE/Max Velocity Realty) over 2 years ago

Steven:  So... not being very knowledgeable about what goes on behind the walls as far as electric wiring is concerned... I am just curious, here.  What about this system... in old houses... is so bad ?  Can it cause the place to burn down ?  And, how do you correct it ?  How can an existing house be "re-wired?"  Would that not entail tearing up the entire house ?  Just trying to expand my knowledge base, here.

Posted by Fort Worth Real Estate - - - Karen Anne Stone (New Home Hunters of Fort Worth and Tarrant County) over 2 years ago

Ah yes, I remember as a very young kid being in the attic with my dad which had that kind of wiring.  He was showing me how to work with it to add outlets.  I suppose that old home still has that type of wiring up there.

Posted by Richard T Dolbeare (RA), ABR, CRS, RSPS, BS/MS - Engineering Hawaii Dreams Today (Keller Williams Realty) over 2 years ago

It is amazing that I still find active knob and tube in older properties. Sometimes the electrician who has rewired the property ties into these lines to run other circuits...

Helping you live your American dream... 

Posted by Michael Thornton - Nashville, TN area Home Inspector - 615.661.0297 (Complete Home Inspections, Inc.) over 2 years ago

Surprisingly of the last few older homes I inspected only one had some active K&T. The other big problem here is most insurance companies will not insure a home with K&T.

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 2 years ago

Knob and Tube wiring can be a hazardous situation. Lots of folks around here see nothing wrong with it though, if you know what I mean. Just have to point it out, make my recommendation, and move on.

Posted by Ian Niquette (Square One Home Inspection) over 2 years ago

James,

A few years ago, when I belonged to the Realtors Assoc, Allstate and Farmers used their willingness to insure K and T houses as a selling point. They probably do it there, for quite a steep increase.

Karen Anne,

They run new wiring. That is a pain through walls and in walls. The attic stuff is not hard to do. How dangerous it is has quite a lot to do with how well the job was done in the first place , the soldering of joints, and how much of it has been hacked up by those who have no clue how to do the work.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 2 years ago

Ok, I wasn't sure what to expect after the title - LOL - cute. Thank goodness we have a newer home :) - not sure if I would like exposed knobs :) ~Rita

Posted by Kenna Real Estate over 2 years ago

Insurance companies still ask whether there is K&T present!  This is why!

Posted by Jay Markanich - Northern VA Home Inspector (Jay Markanich Real Estate Inspections, LLC) over 2 years ago

On the mark Jay.  The insurance companies really frown on K&T.  I think the number is 1.6 times more likely to have a claim (or something close).

Posted by Jack Gilleland (Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton) over 2 years ago

I think this is a lot of baloney on the part of the insurance companies as is evidenced by the fact that there are insurance companies that don't have issue with it.  The reality is that something like 3% of all home fires are caused by electrical failures of all types----of which fused panels and knob and tube are a very small percentage of those.  The biggest problems with knob and tube is more associated with compromises of the original system by improper additions to the circuits----not the system itself.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Charlie, In many respects fuses are superior to breakers. Breakers are mechanical devices that can fail. A fuse is going to work pretty much 100% of the time. I believe the biggest problem with fuses is the homeowner can by pass it or install a fuese that is too large for the circuit wiring.

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 2 years ago

James true---plus you need to have boxes of different sizes laying around:)

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Charles, I didn't say I agree with the insurance companies, but let's face it anything that still has K&T probably has a problem due to the age of the wiring.

Posted by Jack Gilleland (Home Inspection and Investor Services, Clayton) over 2 years ago

Jack, so true----pretty rare to not find some compromises of the circuits.

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Mr Charles,

I will remind you that, in the majority of inspections when I work as your certifried assistant, it is ME, Nutsy, who finds those compromised circuits deep under the insulation. Then you take the credit as if you are a Phd with knobs and tubes.

Nutsy

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 2 years ago

Nutsy a word about the title of this post----do we really need to refer everyone to the "Real Nutsy Wallenda?"

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) over 2 years ago

Mr Charles,

That comment, while probably mean-spirited, is waaaaaaaaaay over my head. It cut my ears off.

Nutsy

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 2 years ago

Just wanted to come back and say that if Nutsy needs a little vacation from all this undue stress he can come stop by at my open house - I made special nutty cookies for him :) ~Rita

Posted by Kenna Real Estate over 2 years ago

I have had clients that had trouble getting homeowners insurance because of knob and tube wiring.

Liberty Mutual will insure most homes with knob and tube wiring. But it's been hit an miss.

David

Posted by David Salvato (David Home Inspection Service Home Inspector San Bernardino) over 2 years ago

David,

 

A few will do it, but they want a premium price.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 2 years ago

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