Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, WA Home Inspector (King of the House)

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Home Electricians: If You Do Not Care About Yourself, Think of Someone Else

 As a home inspector, I see lots of do it yourself work. Some better than others. Universally, the worst and most dangerous work I see is do it yourself electrical. Most people just flat do not know what they are doing -- despite what the box store might tell them they are capable of. I see main panels with the neutral and ground buses not bonded, I see distribution (sub) panels that are bonded neutral to ground -- both wrong. I see no earth grounds, I see the water-pipes as the earth ground. I see reversed wires and no grounds. How about the one do it yourselfer who had an outside outlet and had reversed the ground and the hot. The hot was on the metal junction box hooked to a wooden pole. Think about grabbing onto that metal cover, standing there in a mud puddle. It might be the last thing you ever think about. And there are the GFCI outlets wired wrong so they do not function. Or check out the wire-nuts applied so loosely that the connections are warm from the resistance of a bad connection. Then there is the one that really frosts a home inspector's fanny -- and it takes a lot to do that. It starts with splices not in junction boxes and goes from there: The person who disconnects wires and leaves them unterminated and unprotected and hot. I was in a dark attic once, by accident I saw two wires over my head: Live 240V from an old water heater. I will repeat LIVE. How about crawl spaces. They leave live wires in crawl spaces, sometimes with wire-nuts other times not. When there are bare live wires it is really scary, but when the wire nuts are about to fall off, that is not so good either. So the unsuspecting inspector, or the kid running his new stereo wires under the house, might run across these -- while laying on his belly in an often damp space. Enough of a tirade, but I ran into this three times this week. You can putz around with your steps, louse up the drains, rot out the wall -- but please, take enough time and caution that you do not kill someone with your sloppy and unsafe wiring.

 

      

120V live Attic                                 120V live, crawl space

 

Thanks for dropping by,

 

Steven L. Smith

www.kingofthehouse.com

bellingham wa. property inspection

 

        

        

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Comments

I've seen a few of those...make them get it inspected by a union electrician....the'll never sign off on that...hehehe
Posted by Your Financial Coach over 4 years ago

Great post. As a real estate professional, I am trying to learn as much as possible.... the more informed I am, the better help I am to my clients.

Thanks.

Posted by Brad Snyder (Sierra Vista Realty) over 4 years ago
Thanks guys. I need to say that I realize that, to live affordably, people sometimes have to do their own work. But the problem is when they go forward like a bull in the China shop. You don't know how to get the drain to fit, well put in enough parts till you can get it to fit. Those people usually end up with an S-trap. That is bad enough, but when they start doing electrical, it becomes dangerous for everyone -- if they do a lousy job. If someone is going to be a "handyman" around the house then ask how to do it, or look it up somewhere. Don't just plunge into the abyss.
Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 4 years ago
Steven - This is scary stuff!
Posted by Laguna Homes|Laguna Condos| Laguna Real Estate|Marlene Bridges (Village Real Estate Services, Inc.) over 4 years ago
Like you say Steve, in spite of what the box store told them they could do.  The box stores are probably the biggest purveyers of mis information, hence dangerous information, in the housing world.  "You can do it!  We can help!"  For the most part, these advice givers know nothing about what they are talking.  Thanks for the opportunity to rant.
Posted by David Helm, Bellingham, Wa. Licensed Home Insp (Helm Home Inspections) over 4 years ago

David,

I agree and there are some things it is okay for a home owner to do. But when it comes to things that are life/safety issues it gets to be nuts. Half the time with the electrical no permit is involved either, so even a harried code inspector does not give it a sideways glance.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 4 years ago

David, I like to say, You can do it, No, you can't! I have been in the big box store and overheard some of the "experts" dispensing advice to customers that was plain wrong. But I have encounter people who work there that are competent. The problem is how is the home-do-it-your-selfer going to know the difference.

Steven, I could not agree more about electrical. It can kill you. I will tell my clients if you want to play with the plumbing the worst you can get is wet, with electricity you can end up dead. Don't fool with it, get a professional.

My attic encounter with electricity was similar. This was an older home that had been hacked to death. It had several additions that were poorly done and the general quality of work was low grade amature. The attic was a very tight space and as I was getting my bearings squatting there I noticed a bare wire just above my head running along the length of the attic section. I pulled out the tester and it was live! That was scary.

Posted by James Quarello - Connecticut Home Inspector (JRV Home Inspection Services, LLC) over 4 years ago
Great post.  I have learned that electrical is nothing to play around with in my investment properties.  If a permit is required, I get it and always use a licensed electrician.
Posted by HOPE Lending LLC over 4 years ago
Part of the problem with this is, so often, the bad wiring is in an especially awkward location -- like in a wet crawl space. When a person is down in the wet, on the ground, he or she is much more vulnerable to electrocution if contact is made with a wire. Visibility is poor even with a light, and it is hard to get away from a wire if you get hit. It is not like you can jump, or fall backwards. Also, I know from personal experience as a broadcast engineer around transmitters years ago that, if you are soundly hooked to a live wire -- it can paralyze you. Falling away, if you can do it, is your best defense. Not possible in a crawl space. Plus, you are really at ground potential, also bad. In the attic you are not in the wet but they are dangerous due to the fact it is usually dark. The attic is the place I have found the old disconnected 240V water heater wires.
Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 4 years ago

This is the best wiring I have found at any of my inspections:

Foundation electric panel

The home had just been renovated.

I don't think I'll ever find something to compete with that, but you never know.

Posted by Not a real person over 3 years ago

Russel,

I think those half way renovations can be where the worst comes into play. Oh gee, cut some knob and tube, but not much. Lets put a wire nut on it.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) over 3 years ago

Whats wrong? it is properly labeled.

LOL

Posted by Inspector Mike Parks (Residential Building Inspectors) over 3 years ago

Mike,

Yep, that is pretty nice work.

Posted by Anonymous over 3 years ago

I recently to a dead face off an electrical panel and noticed where a wires insulation had been nicked when the home owner had stripped the outer cover and had since been arcing in the panel.  I wanted to make sure it didn't touch the "dead" front so I took a section of wood and pushed........POP, FIZZZ!!!.

Good stuff, thanks mister homeowner.

Posted by Jim Allhiser Salem, Oregon Home Inspector (Perfection Inspection, Inc.) over 3 years ago

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