Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, WA Home Inspector (King of the House)

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Pacific Northwest Home Inspection (King of the House): Moisture Ant Infestation

We would rather live without moisture ants, but they are an important part of nature -- turning old wood back into soil. As a home inspector and a licensed structural pest inspector, I often see carpenter ants. But, recently, I ran into another ant infestation that is not nearly so common to find as the carpenters -- moisture ants. It is amazing how much damage these little insects can do. They come in different colors, a brown to a yellowish-green color, and they are tiny. Take a look at the photo below, but they are way smaller than that.

While these ants are small, boy what extensive damage they can do as they build galleries.  In this case, the toilet leaked, rotted out around the flange and floor and then came the moisture ants. That is one thing about this species, they are not particularly aggressive. That is, they will not move into healthy wood like some termites or carpenter ants. The moisture ants move into wood that is already very wet or rotting. So, really, don't blame them for all the damage. If things were in good shape in the first place, they would be nowhere around. For this same reason, they do not require a chemical treatment to eradicate them. Simply get rid of the water issue, be it plumbing leaks, failed caulking, etc and then replace the weak and damaged wood. In fact, bad as this spot was at the house, nobody had been living there in a long time -- no more flushing or toilet leaks -- so it looked like the ants had packed it up and had moved out. The amount of damage they can do, despite being an opportunistic and secondary infestation, is cataloged below.

  

The view from far away: fallen black insulation (mud from ants)

At first I suspected rats 

Rot, initial distinctive signs of moisture ant damage

  

Major signs of moisture ant damage, their distinctive work

 

Closeup of a piece I removed, a realtor asked me what it is.

The answer -- mud and wood!

Thanks for stopping by,

Steven L. Smith

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Comments

Good information about those ants. Thanks.
Posted by Barbara S. Duncan, CRS, GRI, e-PRO Searcy AR (RE/MAX Advantage) about 4 years ago

Wow, no wonder I don't like ants. We have enough trouble with fire ants, termies, carpenter ants and about 50 other kinds - wasn't familiar with these but all ants seem to like moisture.

Posted by Steve Hoffacker - Sales Trainer/Coach, Sales Books Author, Photographer (Hoffacker Associates LLC) about 4 years ago
Yep,  the moisture tends to attract wood destroying organisms-- fungal and insect varieties.
Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 4 years ago
Steven, thanks once again for great information.  I didn't think much of it, but I find small groups of no more than 30 tiny ants about once a week where there's no identifiable food source.  You may have identified what's going on.  The search begins.    
Posted by Kevin J. May Naples, FL Southwest Florida Real Estate (Prudential Florida Realty) about 4 years ago

Kevin,

 

There are thousands of ants but only a few species that damage the wood, so what you are seeing might not be a problem. Are they up in the house or out in the yard?

 

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 4 years ago
Steve, they're in the house.  Oddly, I never see a trail of them that I can find the source of entry.  They are resistant to residual chemical.  They're maybe an eight of an inch long. 
Posted by Kevin J. May Naples, FL Southwest Florida Real Estate (Prudential Florida Realty) about 4 years ago

Kevin,

Catch a few, send them up here, I can probably get an ant expert friend to identify them for certain. With WSU in our state, we have no shortage of entomologists.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 4 years ago

Kevin, like Steve said, there are so many kinds of ant it can be.  But Steve, who usually has "ants in his pants" will be able to figure it out.  Good post Steve.  Here is a picture of another Moisture Ant nest---notice how similiar the structure is even though it is made out of different materials.moisture ant nest

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Posted by Charles Buell, Seattle Home Inspector (Charles Buell Inspections.com) about 4 years ago
You guys have me on a rampage now.  If I can't figure it out from here, how would you like 'em Steve, DEAD or ALIVE?
Posted by Kevin J. May Naples, FL Southwest Florida Real Estate (Prudential Florida Realty) about 4 years ago

Kevin,

Just catch several, put them in a baggie alive and we will see how they arrive. Try to pack them so they do not get flattened. I do not necessarily know all the ants in your area, but I think I have contacts that could identify any ant. If you get these bug PHD's working you get results, they are curious, and they have quite a network I have tapped into before on tough stuff.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 4 years ago

Charlie,

Regarding your photos, now that you have the joists out from under the sink, does your house still feel stable enough? Getting rid of that must kind of feel like killing your pets

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 4 years ago
Steve, this is what I mean, I think they read your comment, can't find a single one now.  I'll gather some and contact you when they're out and about on their next tour. 
Posted by Kevin J. May Naples, FL Southwest Florida Real Estate (Prudential Florida Realty) about 4 years ago
Old wood is OK just don't gnaw on the wood for my house.
Posted by John Walters (Licensed in Slidell, Louisiana) (Frank Rubi Real Estate) about 4 years ago
I never even heard of a moisture ant before- in our part of the country- we have termites- but I have never heard of the ants- thanks for the post and the education.
Posted by Debra Gambill Realtor, N.C. / S.C (Weichert Realtor's Southern Coast) about 4 years ago
Still amazes me how destructive these little critters can be.  Good info.
Posted by Bill Gillhespy Fort Myers Beach Realtor Fort Myers Beach Agent - Homes & Condos (16 Sunview Blvd) about 4 years ago

wow, interesting information. I had never heard of moisture ants before. Thanks for sharing.

Sean Allen

Posted by International Financing Solutions about 4 years ago
I have a question about carpenter ants...I think you said they march? I sometimes find a semi-large "juicy" black ant wandering through my living room, by himself and I have called my regular exterminator who knows my house and he says that it is nothing to worry about---I don't have moisture problems but the house is a 1930's craftsman style bungalow and it did have Terms when I bought it but it has been treated and repaired. I hear that sometimes carpenter ants move into a former termite home; is that correct? It is a fairly rare appearance but I get really worried when I see one.
Posted by Paula I Hathaway, Senior Vice President, LBA (Prudential Douglas Elliman Real Estate) about 4 years ago
I think EO Wilson (that academic guy who studies ants) says that the total biomass of ants in the world exceeds the total biomass of humans.  That's a pretty amazing statement.
Posted by John Hokkanen → Encinitas Real Estate (SurfTheTurf.com) about 4 years ago

I am constantly surprised when I find that a homeowner has not had a termite inspection for 5-10 years or more. 

Then there are the owners who have the "Termite Warranty" and therefore ignore everything. 

NewsFlash.  Termites can't read!!!

I recommend to my buyers that they have a termite inspection every year.  Geez.  It costs a whopping $50.

Posted by Lenn Harley, Real Estate Broker, Virginia & Maryland (Lenn Harley, Homefinders.com, MD & VA Homes and Real Estate) about 4 years ago

GROSS!!!  Those pictures are grossing me out for sure.  I've never heard of that kind of ant, but we do have carpenter ants up here.  I've had them myself, but now have my house treated twice a year and no problems since.  Gross!

Ann

Posted by Portsmouth NH Homes Condos - Ann Cummings New Hampshire REALTOR® (RE/MAX Coast to Coast - Portsmouth New Hampshire) about 4 years ago

Hi all,

Thanks for the comments. I am busy doing a report but will respond personally as I get a chance here.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 4 years ago

I have never even heard of moisture ants!  I guess (hope) I may not be alone in this...;)

Ha ha ha...Lenn..."Termites can't read..."  But they can make a killer pot of coffee...;) 

Posted by Joe Hayden - Louisville, KY Homes for Sale (Keller Williams Realty - Louisville East) about 4 years ago
Steven - very interesting.  I guess we get our share of "critters" here in the Puget Sound that is much different than the east coast. 
Posted by HOPE Lending LLC about 4 years ago
Steven - Congrats on the feature.  You so deserve it!  I've learned so much from you.  Thanks.
Posted by Laguna Homes|Laguna Condos| Laguna Real Estate|Marlene Bridges (Village Real Estate Services, Inc.) about 4 years ago
Thanks again for all the comments. When I get done with the bear of a report I am banging out, I will give you the attention you deserve, as far as your questions.
Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 4 years ago
Good information on ants and pictures of damage. Thanks for the post Steven.
Posted by Tigard Oregon Homes for Sale, Wayne B. Pruner, Realtor, GRI (Oregon First) about 4 years ago
Pretty disgusting...we see carpenter ants here a lot...it's common..I believe we see them in attics more and from water leakage from the roof areas. They are pretty big here an homeowners have seen them in inspections and don't even realize hey were there..it seems like they can be killed pretty easy but they definitely look pretty bad. We have all ant problems here in Florida as you probably know moisture is a big thing here.
Posted by Neal Bloom-Realtor ®CRS-Weston FL Real Estate (Keller Williams Properties, Weston FL) about 4 years ago

Kevin

I don't know about the west coast where you are, but in the Fort Lauderdale area, we have a company called, Do It Your Self Pest Proof. If you do, or similar, put a few of the ants in a jar and bring it to them, they'll sell you the right stuff and tell you how to use the Chemicals the right way.

Posted by Michael Zollo-Certified Residential Appraiser, South Florida, FHA (A-Z Appraisals, Inc.) about 4 years ago
Congratulations on the featured blog.  You deserve it!  You write good blogs and so does your friend!
Posted by Barbara S. Duncan, CRS, GRI, e-PRO Searcy AR (RE/MAX Advantage) about 4 years ago
Wow, there are way too many different kinds of ants. I have never heard of moisture ants before. That is crazy. I will definitely be on the watch out for leaks!
Posted by Christy Powers - Pooler, Savannah Real Estate Agent (Keller Williams Coastal Area Partners) about 4 years ago

Paula,

It is probable that a large black ant is a carpenter ant. I would not say carpenter ants specifically look for termite houses but carpenter ants are an enemy of termites, they eat them. Also, the same conducive conditions that attract termites tend to attract carpenter ants. In fact, conducive conditions that attract one wood destroying organism tend to appeal to all varieties -- fungal and insect.

Do you have a problem? Well, that can be hard to tell. Do you live in the woods, with lots of trees around. If so, carpenters are often out looking to form satellite nests. Those of us in real estate ought to understand that -- they are looking for affordable housing that is not too crowded.

I do not like to find ants inside the home. Too often they came up from the crawl space or the attic. Now, if you take this ant and ring his neck, how long before you get another? If it is fairly soon, or even in a day or so, I would be concerned. On the other hand, if it is weeks or months, not so much so. When I said marching, I did not mean a single ant. I meant a few, or many, following one another and sometimes transporting their white pupa. If you are sitting on a deck or something, and see large black ants, then just watch them. If they are darting under your house, climbing up in soffit vents, going under the gable in a hole, then you have a real concern. This is hard to trouble shoot from afar.  Like I told Kevin, you can send me an ant, and I can ID it for you. But then one carpenter does not make a work crew.

 

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 4 years ago

Steven - Thank you for this good information. We recently had a leak in our pump house, I didn't tend to it right away and found  the wood ants did quite a bit of damage in a hurry. Now I have to get busy and do some repair work.

Thanks for the good pics and information.

Posted by CARL & CEIL WINTERS Canyon Lake/New Braunfels /San Antonio (Complete Inspection Service) about 4 years ago

Carl,

Glad it was helpful. We probably see more of this being in the wet northwest, than lots of the rest of you see.

Posted by Steven L. Smith, Bellingham, Wa. Home Inspector (King of the House Home Inspection, Inc) about 4 years ago

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